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	<title>Comments on: Cut and Paste Files: a &#8220;feature&#8221; of OS X 10.5?</title>
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		<title>By: sfothers</title>
		<link>http://iyaz.wordpress.com/2006/06/29/cut-and-paste-files-a-feature-of-os-x-105/#comment-2562</link>
		<dc:creator>sfothers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello All,
I&#039;m a relatively new Mac user, and initially found the inability to &#039;Cut&#039; rather irksome. However, now that I have become used to manipulating files in Finder using List View, I find that copying multiple files instead of cutting does what it says, and leaves the selected files selected in the original folder. Just go back to the original folder when you are sure everything is okay and &#039;Move to Trash&#039;. I don&#039;t find this too much of a bind, and it really is cast iron foolproof, plus the trashed files are still in the trash if you do need to recover them.

Apologies all round if I&#039;m missing something within the previous comments, but I am also a Windows user since 3.1, and while I don&#039;t recall actually suffering any losses due to rash use of the &#039;Cut&#039; feature, clicking &#039;Cut&#039; always induces a sense of foreboding. 

I don&#039;t find the &#039;belt and braces&#039; approach that Apple has adopted at all arrogant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello All,<br />
I&#8217;m a relatively new Mac user, and initially found the inability to &#8216;Cut&#8217; rather irksome. However, now that I have become used to manipulating files in Finder using List View, I find that copying multiple files instead of cutting does what it says, and leaves the selected files selected in the original folder. Just go back to the original folder when you are sure everything is okay and &#8216;Move to Trash&#8217;. I don&#8217;t find this too much of a bind, and it really is cast iron foolproof, plus the trashed files are still in the trash if you do need to recover them.</p>
<p>Apologies all round if I&#8217;m missing something within the previous comments, but I am also a Windows user since 3.1, and while I don&#8217;t recall actually suffering any losses due to rash use of the &#8216;Cut&#8217; feature, clicking &#8216;Cut&#8217; always induces a sense of foreboding. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t find the &#8216;belt and braces&#8217; approach that Apple has adopted at all arrogant.</p>
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		<title>By: osian</title>
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		<dc:creator>osian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear hear.

Mac is awful at file-manipulation processes, such as those you talk about here.  Another Windows feature I miss on my mac is the &#039;Paste shortcut&#039; option.  On a Mac, the process is painfully laborious, requiring the evil necessity of the drag-drop facility.

I disagree with you on the requirement of building right-mouse-buttons (RMB) into Macs though.  The OSX RMB menu includes no useful features, so why build the button?

Seamless integration you see ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear hear.</p>
<p>Mac is awful at file-manipulation processes, such as those you talk about here.  Another Windows feature I miss on my mac is the &#8216;Paste shortcut&#8217; option.  On a Mac, the process is painfully laborious, requiring the evil necessity of the drag-drop facility.</p>
<p>I disagree with you on the requirement of building right-mouse-buttons (RMB) into Macs though.  The OSX RMB menu includes no useful features, so why build the button?</p>
<p>Seamless integration you see <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: isatemple</title>
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		<dc:creator>isatemple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just submitted the exact complaint to apple.com/feedback. You&#039;re right, this is not a feature, it is OS programming grade school. Dragging files around is a drag. Apple can suffer from arrogance, this example being case in point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just submitted the exact complaint to apple.com/feedback. You&#8217;re right, this is not a feature, it is OS programming grade school. Dragging files around is a drag. Apple can suffer from arrogance, this example being case in point.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely with Whitney.  While Apple makes a lot of good design choices, they also make some piss poor ones.  Thank god I at least have a terminal window and mv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely with Whitney.  While Apple makes a lot of good design choices, they also make some piss poor ones.  Thank god I at least have a terminal window and mv.</p>
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		<title>By: Whitney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whitney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I completely agree with you on the cut and paste &quot;feature.&quot;  I found this post in an attempt to finally locate just such a &quot;feature&quot; and am still unable to do so.  It&#039;s been bothering me for two years now (ever since I got a Mac).

Some of the forums are downright nasty when people ask about this, too!  Hardcore Mac users from way back when have no clue what converts are talking about.  They act as if these are dumb questions.  Tonight I saw the response, &quot;Why would you want to do that?  This is a problem, not a feature, if you cut something and forget to paste it, well, then, you&#039;ve lost your file!&quot;  Not so in Windows.  In Windows, cut greys out the file until you paste it OR DO SOMETHING ELSE.  It is essentially a &quot;move&quot; command.  I&#039;ve never lost a file by neglecting to complete the process.

Another response:  &quot;You could lose your file that way.  Dragging and dropping is more visually aware.&quot;  First, you can&#039;t drag and drop if you start with a file &quot;a&quot; and want it to go to folder &quot;z&quot; because dragging won&#039;t scroll down for you.  You need to open two Finder windows to accomplish this if the folder&#039;s in the same folder as the file and there are enough to cause scrolling necessity.  Second, I&#039;ve never liked mice for file care, and even less so with the Mac.  I have to constantly re-highlight items when I try to drag them around because... well, I don&#039;t know why, but it&#039;s inconsistent and nothing I&#039;m doing, that&#039;s for sure.  So, for me, dragging and dropping means &quot;Oh crap, after rehighlighting a few times it finally grabbed them and then it dropped them before I let go of the mouse button and EGADS WHERE DID THEY GOOOO???&quot; instead of &quot;Right-click.  Cut.  Look for folder.  Right-click.  Yep, folder&#039;s highlight.  Paste.  Ah, there it is.&quot;

There&#039;s MY ranting addendum to your rant.  I hope Apple reads these and decides to add said &quot;feature.&quot;  I don&#039;t care what they call it.  &quot;Move someday&quot; and &quot;Paste the last thing you click &#039;move someday&#039;&quot; is fine with me.

On the other subject - not everyone who owns a Mac has an IQ lower than a slice of bread.  Before I owned one, I had that concept embedded in my head because to a PC user, things are so sleek-looking and pretty that they can&#039;t possibly be for any technological sort.  These days there&#039;s a lot under the hood that techies can play with, but the stigma is still there.

It&#039;s little funtions such as those you describe that I believe keeps some pc users away.  They don&#039;t like to consider themselves too stupid to switch over.  I think each has its perks, personally.  Macs are great for creative types (like me) and horrible for the control freaks who want to organize things manually and not depend on the OS to find everything for them (like me).

Anywho, rants over on my side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with you on the cut and paste &#8220;feature.&#8221;  I found this post in an attempt to finally locate just such a &#8220;feature&#8221; and am still unable to do so.  It&#8217;s been bothering me for two years now (ever since I got a Mac).</p>
<p>Some of the forums are downright nasty when people ask about this, too!  Hardcore Mac users from way back when have no clue what converts are talking about.  They act as if these are dumb questions.  Tonight I saw the response, &#8220;Why would you want to do that?  This is a problem, not a feature, if you cut something and forget to paste it, well, then, you&#8217;ve lost your file!&#8221;  Not so in Windows.  In Windows, cut greys out the file until you paste it OR DO SOMETHING ELSE.  It is essentially a &#8220;move&#8221; command.  I&#8217;ve never lost a file by neglecting to complete the process.</p>
<p>Another response:  &#8220;You could lose your file that way.  Dragging and dropping is more visually aware.&#8221;  First, you can&#8217;t drag and drop if you start with a file &#8220;a&#8221; and want it to go to folder &#8220;z&#8221; because dragging won&#8217;t scroll down for you.  You need to open two Finder windows to accomplish this if the folder&#8217;s in the same folder as the file and there are enough to cause scrolling necessity.  Second, I&#8217;ve never liked mice for file care, and even less so with the Mac.  I have to constantly re-highlight items when I try to drag them around because&#8230; well, I don&#8217;t know why, but it&#8217;s inconsistent and nothing I&#8217;m doing, that&#8217;s for sure.  So, for me, dragging and dropping means &#8220;Oh crap, after rehighlighting a few times it finally grabbed them and then it dropped them before I let go of the mouse button and EGADS WHERE DID THEY GOOOO???&#8221; instead of &#8220;Right-click.  Cut.  Look for folder.  Right-click.  Yep, folder&#8217;s highlight.  Paste.  Ah, there it is.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s MY ranting addendum to your rant.  I hope Apple reads these and decides to add said &#8220;feature.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t care what they call it.  &#8220;Move someday&#8221; and &#8220;Paste the last thing you click &#8216;move someday&#8217;&#8221; is fine with me.</p>
<p>On the other subject &#8211; not everyone who owns a Mac has an IQ lower than a slice of bread.  Before I owned one, I had that concept embedded in my head because to a PC user, things are so sleek-looking and pretty that they can&#8217;t possibly be for any technological sort.  These days there&#8217;s a lot under the hood that techies can play with, but the stigma is still there.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s little funtions such as those you describe that I believe keeps some pc users away.  They don&#8217;t like to consider themselves too stupid to switch over.  I think each has its perks, personally.  Macs are great for creative types (like me) and horrible for the control freaks who want to organize things manually and not depend on the OS to find everything for them (like me).</p>
<p>Anywho, rants over on my side.</p>
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		<title>By: Hummdis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hummdis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look here:

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060626085238931</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060626085238931" rel="nofollow">http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060626085238931</a></p>
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		<title>By: fonzbear2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>fonzbear2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;why would anyone want 2 button on a mc..I am ey much happy having 1 button….much easier to use that 2 button ones…&quot;

So you don&#039;t have to do command click every time you want to right click. It&#039;s much easier just to right click.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;why would anyone want 2 button on a mc..I am ey much happy having 1 button….much easier to use that 2 button ones…&#8221;</p>
<p>So you don&#8217;t have to do command click every time you want to right click. It&#8217;s much easier just to right click.</p>
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		<title>By: Macs suck!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macs suck!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy shit, I agree. I just bought a Macbook and just trying to copy data from a cd to a folder has been brutal. Every time I paste into the folder finder shuts down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy shit, I agree. I just bought a Macbook and just trying to copy data from a cd to a folder has been brutal. Every time I paste into the folder finder shuts down.</p>
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		<title>By: C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tiger: Cut files aren&#039;t actually moved on Windows or Linux system until you paste them. If your computer crashes or you copy something else onto the clipboard, they&#039;ll simply stay in their original location untouched. 

I sympathize with the idea of trying to protect &#039;unthinking&#039; computer users, but what about the thinking ones who can&#039;t do something that&#039;s absolutely fundamental on any other OS? It&#039;s like taking the knives out of your kitchen and chopping everything with a spoon in case you cut yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tiger: Cut files aren&#8217;t actually moved on Windows or Linux system until you paste them. If your computer crashes or you copy something else onto the clipboard, they&#8217;ll simply stay in their original location untouched. </p>
<p>I sympathize with the idea of trying to protect &#8216;unthinking&#8217; computer users, but what about the thinking ones who can&#8217;t do something that&#8217;s absolutely fundamental on any other OS? It&#8217;s like taking the knives out of your kitchen and chopping everything with a spoon in case you cut yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: tiger</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, and to tim, who loses files by replacing the folders that contain them: this is just a matter of your not understanding how to do, on the Mac, what you want to do: if you want to &quot;smart-replace&quot; the contents of a folder, you simply *open* the source folder and select the *contents* (Command-a works well for this), then drop *those* onto the destination folder. you&#039;ll be given an opportunity to replace or not replace files with the same name on an individual basis or, by checking the &quot;apply to all&quot; checkbox, collectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and to tim, who loses files by replacing the folders that contain them: this is just a matter of your not understanding how to do, on the Mac, what you want to do: if you want to &#8220;smart-replace&#8221; the contents of a folder, you simply *open* the source folder and select the *contents* (Command-a works well for this), then drop *those* onto the destination folder. you&#8217;ll be given an opportunity to replace or not replace files with the same name on an individual basis or, by checking the &#8220;apply to all&#8221; checkbox, collectively.</p>
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